1911 vs hi power reliability bookshelf

Some comparison and fun with two of the most popular pistols on planet earth. Most agree that when taken to the extreme, the 1911 can be made more mechanically accurate than the hi power. The hipower retains a lot of 1911 dna, with a hammerfired singleaction. Prior to the 90s the bhp was the handgun of the free world. Hi power no, this is not a question over which one is better, but a question over reliability and durability. The browning hipower is a refined and improved redesign of the u. Apr 07, 2014 nine steps to a reliable 1911 an interview with bill wilson ammoland inc. We also offer ffl gun transfers and a full machine shop for all your custom gun needs. Sj 40 it is a very softshooting pistol designed from the ground up as a combat weapon, using a 1911 topend with a modular frame and grip inspired by and greatly improving upon the browning hi power.

Most of them were pretty beat up and were used hard. We have no affiliation with, nor do we promote or encourage, any subversive or quasisubversive entities or acts against the united states of america or against the american people, inside or outside of u. Impressed with the power and reliability of the m1911. The 1911 is a bit more robust than the hi power, and will take more abuse for a longer time. More reliable 1911 or browning hi power im talking stock vs stock, in original caliber. Advanced 1911 reliability firearms training associates. Built from a rocksolid barstock frame, slide, and barrel foundation. Now, a 1911 chambered for the 10mm auto is something special, distinguishing itself from what is otherwise a vanilla herd of 1911s. In saying that, i have a very nice 357 magnum revolver, which i still owe the forum photos of, a browning hi power practical and a norinco 1911 in 9mm. I am interested in picking up a hi power, but my local shop does not have one to look at. While sales were curtailed by the hi power s high cost, there would seem to be a market for a more economical hi power.

Contrary to the experiences cited by some, the 1911 and hi power are both capable of extreme reliability. Also, current colt owners can ship their existing 1911 back to the shop for improving reliability. My current favorite 9mm for target use is my browning hi power with the mag disconnector removed, and a garthwaite competition trigger. Sep 19, 2016 the similarities between the 1911 and the hi power are basically similarities between these two handguns and almost every other semiautomatic with the exception of the fact that they are both singleaction handguns. Almost every member of nato except the us issued a hi power. Oct 16, 2015 fm argentinian company makes a sweet hi power for the budget market and they do a detective kit that they sell as well giving you a compact slide option that works on any true hi power or true spec clone.

Glocks are, for the most part, homogenous within model types. Back in the early 90s, when i was a gunsmith at behlert precision in pipersville, pa. Rock island armory 1911 compact ultra tactical 45 acp pistol. The 1911 is not only not the most popular, it never has been. I wouldnt turn down a hi power either, but lets face it, 1911 vs hi power is like comparing a porsche 911 to a ford mustang. Not so much the alloy vs steel but the web of the hand being much closer to the centerline of the bore with the hi power. But i know nothing about all of the variations of bhps models, and there seem to a lot of them. Dieudonne saive continued work on the gun after brownings death, and did reimplement some of the 1911s design features once the patents ran out, but to call the hipower a copy of the 1911 is outright false. I have not seen nearly as many reports of problems with the browning h. More reliable1911 or browning hi power the high road. Apr 28, 2016 small 1911s and reliability posted on april 28, 2016 by c. Its condemned as being antiquated, heavy, overpowerful, and not always reliable with specialty ammo.

Military special operations forces sof including usmc marsoc and civilian tactical shooters. At this point, it might be appropriate to compare hi power accuracy with a fitted barsto vs. Why you should own the impressive browning hi power off. A look at the magnum research desert eagle 1911 gss. It has been my experience that perhaps a 10 to 20%. Nine steps to a reliable 1911 an interview with bill wilson. There are south african 17round magazines, but i have no experience with these and ive heard the reliability is hit or miss.

In the 40 s and w 229 vs the 40 hi power, you can really feel the difference in the recoil characteristics. Meet the production polymerframed modularmulticaliber. Browning high power pistols combat bookshelf by donald b. Yeah everyone knows, and understands the legend of the 1911, the hi power is said to be improvement of the 1911 and with a hi power double stack mag, then the cz75 comes along using design features of both the 1911 and the hi power, plus dasa, hi cap, and. I just wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Included in the discussion is the old worn out discussion of 45acp vs. Some years ago a friend said to me something like you know the hi power was designed to correct all of the faults of the creaky old government model. If a person wanted to get a classic service pistol in the safe, two solid choices would be the 1911 vs. Just use tripp cobra magazines in any of your 9mm 1911 s and you are good to go. The vast majority of reliability complaints on a 1911 can be traced back to using cheap poor quality, poorly designed magazines. Travis p self defense 23 comments print this article. Browning high power pistols combat bookshelf donald b. On the plus side, the browning is one of the most accurate 9mms i have ever fired and it carrys a lot more.

Pelican parts forums miscellaneous and off topic forums off topic discussions. Back in the 1980s the hi power was easy to come by at an affordable price. In 1928, colts exclusive rights to the m1911 pistol expired, allowing saive. Like every 1911, if the one that is in your hands works, great. Few gunsmiths and fewer owners have any clue how to properly tune and time a 1911, especially a compact. The distinct shape and appearance have a passing resemblance to a browning hi power. The browning 1911 22 strikes me as a fun pistol that should find general favor for plinking and pest control. The 1911 provides a better balance of power, reliability, and ergonomics than any other design currently available and thats exactly why the 1911 is still a valid choice for a sidearm. A handy small picture line drawings book i take with me to gun shows along with clawsons guidebook for a quick way to compare original parts is jc harrisons us pistols and revolvers 190945. In fact, didnt the hi power officially obsolete the 1911.

Its lauded for its power, simplicity, excellent trigger, and reliability under adverse conditions. Browning hi power vs colt 1911 vs glock reliability. I realize that the barrel link in 1911 vs barrel lug in hi power probably affects how the muzzle end of the barrel moves during firing and makes a bushing necessary in the 1911, but thats just my speculation. Hi power vs cz75 which is the best classic 9mm service pistol duration. By reliability, i am referring the going bang when the trigger is pulled, followed by ejecting the spent cartridge and then chambering the next round. I prefer running fmjs for feeding reliability, and thats the ammo. How bout those packers, eh, kind of funny to see jerry jones not be able to buy a ref. Every manufacturer will have a gun slip by quality control and results in a dissatisfied customer. The p35 also included a feed ramp machined into the barrel throat. In common with the m1911, the hipower is therefore typically carried with the hammer cocked, a round in the. Sep 25, 2007 what is better the browning hi power or colt 1911. The key to the 9mm 1911 reliability is in the magazines. Im sure ill get the typical response from somebody that 1911 s have no business being used as a 9mm, but i have zero interest in.

Shumaker gun works offers a full range of gunsmithing services including general repair, bluing, gunkote, accurizing, and custom built rifles and handguns. More aftermarket match barrels and accuracy work is done on the 1911 than the hi power. Yes, even some of the factory supplied magazines can be of poor quality and design. Jun 01, 2017 yeah everyone knows, and understands the legend of the 1911, the hi power is said to be improvement of the 1911 and with a hi power double stack mag, then the cz75 comes along using design features of both the 1911 and the hi power, plus dasa, hi cap, and starts its own legend. I have been carrying my trust 1911 for 5 years, and am making the swap to a glock. I always liked 1911s and i know a lot of people who have them. American rifleman tuning the m1911 for reliability. But i have read articles before that said the browning hi power is one of the best designed handguns in the world. First is the ergonomics, with a generous beavertail on the frame for a high, tight shooting grip, and a palm swell reminiscent of the hi power which comfortably fits the hand. Can a combatreliable production highcapacity tactical 1911 pistol be developed for u. Jmb began the design of the hi power, but the real credit goes to dieudonne saive for the hp we have today.

Browning designed one, specifically working around the patents he had signed over to colt for the 1911. The 1911 pattern pistol has been refined over decades and is capable of extremely fine accuracy. The wedge functioned like the 1911 s swinging link, but with fewer parts and tighter barreltoframe fit. Tisas hi power, the regent br9, is equal to the original hi power at first examination. All i know is what i read about it,looks interesting,however ill stick to caring my glocks. Feb 10, 20 ive been thinking about getting a rock island 9mm 1911 in the future, but the browning hi power is also a consideration. Can anyone point me to comparative grip dimensions, or side by side photos. The 1911 has been on my mind since buying our gsg 1911 22. Another book is the standard catalog of military firearms with the 1911 1911a1 section written by one of our 1911 forum members, karl karash. The browning is accurate, reliable and is one of the few highcapacity autos that fit my. If you are interested in the 1911 platform, you will have to buy one.

Individuality with 1911 s you deal with a particular gun, the one youre holding at that moment. Garrison grip quality concealed carry or bookshelf semi hard shell bible gun case with gold leaf lettering for small sized guns. Colt factory pistols may not have some of the fancy custom features that are common with competing brands, but the build and materials quality exceed any at the same price point. Both classic designs that embody performance and really just differing balances of attributes. At first glance, it may seem somewhat odd to read a story comparing a 1911 with a cz 75. The browning hipower is a singleaction, semiautomatic handgun available in the 9mm and.

Stock or customized, the 10mm 1911 is a real nice shooter. Disclaimer firearms training associates is an instructional school of defensive shooting techniques. If you fell into that trap, picking up one of these aftermarket magazines will. Testing a 1911 of any maker is silly because each and every 1911 is different. The similarities between the 1911 and the hi power are basically similarities between these two handguns and almost every other semiautomatic with the exception of the fact that they are both singleaction handguns. Introduced nearly 85 years ago, it was the military or police sidearm for many countries for most of that time. The bhp is definitely cheaper than a really high quality 9mm 1911, and i understand that reliability of inexpensive. Hi i did a bit of searching but could not find this answer. Shooting illustrated whats wrong with the hi power. Hogue wraparound rubber grips with finger grooves 1911 colt. If you are determined to carry a 1911 for duty or defensive use, starting with a colt 1911 will put you ahead of the curve in terms of reliability and durability. Thanks to my work, i can get a pretty good price on most firearms directly from the manufacturer, and it looks like i could get either a browning hi power mk.

Yeah everyone knows, and understands the legend of the 1911, the hi power is said to be improvement of the 1911 and with a hi power double stack mag, then the cz75 comes along using design features of both the 1911 and the hi power, plus dasa, hi cap, and starts its own. The 1911 pistol, john brownings largecaliber pistol triumph, is both lauded and condemned in the firearms world. Finding a 1911 that will run for rounds without problems only tells you that the test gun will perform this way. And, as bac1023 noted, colts delta elite is the classic envelope for this cartridge. I think the mags and the extractor tension variability on the 1911 make it a little more prone to malf. Ran my 1911 nothing special, an armscor 1911 gi through a handgun operator 2 class. Dec 15, 2015 magnum research desert eagle 1911 gss the desert eagle 1911 gss comes with several customgrade features, including front and rear slide serrations, an undercut triggerguard, a skeletonized trigger and hammer, wooden grips and much more. My little knowledge of forgings vs cast parts comes mainly from.

In 1962 the internal extractor was replaced with a more durable and reliable external extractor alongside other. Browning died in 1926, several years before the design was finalized. Beretta vs hi power notshawn54 replied apr 17, 2020 at 12. The hi power is one of the most widely used military pistols in. I bet the same is true of the 226 in nine mil vs the hi power in the same caliber.

Each must be evaluated on an individual basis for its function. Reliability service package all 1911 pistols includes complete breakdown of pistol, cleaning and evaluating all parts, tensioning extractor, repolish feed ramp and barrel throat, hone barrel chamber, change any springs necessary, recut barrel crown i. So the question is which of these firearms do you think has better accuracy and reliability, the 1911 or the luger. Like i said, im not spoiled on lightweight weapons, but a heavy. Use only high quality magazines in your 1911 such as those offered by tripp, wilson combat, mccormick and a few others. The 1911 isnt like the modern pistol where one is exactly like the next hundred or thousand made before it. This makes the cz 75 very comfortable to hold, and one of the most naturallypointing pistols this side of the 1911. What is the difference between the browning 1911 and the. On a surplus gun, at least replace the recoil and firing pin springs to insure reliability. So lets not bring the power factor into this topic because people seem to wonder off the subject when they talk about the power differences.

Precision match barrel crown flush with the bushing. Jul 02, 20 the colt enhanced reliability package is a deal offered through the companys custom shop and can be purchased prior to the acquisition of the firearm to get it tuned before delivery. Both the 1911 and beretta m9 where used and are still used today in the united states military. The browning hi power was actually designed during the roaring 20s as. I wanted to see which platform would perform better by putting them in sand, water, dirt and wet sand. Iii or the new springfield range officer in 9mm, for pretty similar prices. Both of these guns are large, powerful, fullsize guns that have been carried as duty sidearms by our armed forces and also police officers for many years. It should also be a big hit with firearm instructors. I have always been a fan of the browning hi power and over the years have owned several. The browning hi power is truly one of the worlds greatest firearms. Cz 75 b vs browning hi power northwest firearms oregon. I wanted to see which platform would perform better by.

The 1911 has a loyal following that has been justly earned. Can a combatreliable production highcapacity tactical 1911. The freedom series lineup consists of high quality production model pistols with complete customization options. Why you should own the impressive browning hi power. Bullock custom 1911 packages these packages are available on the following current production customer supplied govt or commander colt 1911 pistols xse, 1991, series 70, rail gun, or m45a1 models other base model pistols like springfield, les baer, ed brown, etc may be used on a case by case basis. The bhp is reliable, accurate, and has outstanding ergonomics. Aug 31, 2017 this feature is not available right now. I wonder what the pros and cons are of having a barrel bushing of the 1911 design vs not having one like in the hi power. I do some shooting with the tisas regent br9 9mm hi power clone, compare it to a fn hi power, discuss the features of the pistol, and what i think of it overall. Commandersized 1911 s while maybe more comfortable for carry, tend to have reliability issues you dont see in the fullsize guns which by modern standards tend to be less reliable than more modern designs. Each 1911 has a personality of its own, even among examples of the same model and production run from the same manufacturer.